Metadata and Cataloging Education Web Clearinghouse

Revisions/Wish List

Call for Feedback: 

Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:42:12 -0400
From: cfrost@UMICH.EDU
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Subject: Web Clearinghouse for Metadata Materials

Educatters,

As some of you may know, there is a promising activity currently underway to develop a web clearinghouse which will be a useful resource for cataloging and metadata educators.

As a bit of background: The ALCTS/ALISE Task Force for Preparing Cataloging and Metadata Educators and Trainers was created in response to a report on ataloging and Metadata Education prepared for the LC Action Plan on Bibliographic Control for the New Millennium, available at (http://www.loc.gov/catdir/bibcontrol/CatalogingandMetadataEducation.pdf).

One charge for our task force group was to develop a web clearinghouse for metadata materials and also to develop a Metadata Basics Package, as described in the Action Plan report.  Prof. Marcia Zeng, on the LIS faculty at Kent State is working on the Metadata Basics Package, and Anita Coleman, LIS faculty member at the University of Arizona, is serving as consultant for the Web Clearinghouse project.

Anita has been making excellent progress on the clearinghouse, and has completed some draft documents for our review. I would appreciate it if you would look this over and give us your feedback so that Anita can proceed further with the work.

The documents include:

1) a workplan indicating milestones and deliverables,

2) a proof of concept version of the basic categorical structure for the clearinghouse web page,  and

3) background notes containing some possible topics, formats, and sample items.

Workplan: http://www.sir.arizona.edu/faculty/coleman/lc/wplanascv2.html

Topical categories - proof of concept: http://www.sir.arizona.edu/faculty/coleman/lc/cameproof.html

Background Notes (which has some questions for feedback): http://www.sir.arizona.edu/faculty/coleman/lc/camenotes.html

Please  send your feedback to our Educat list. We would appreciate your comments by Sept. 20, so that Anita can keep to her deadline.

Later on, we will also be sending you draft documents from the work that Marcia Zeng is doing on the Metadata Basics package.

We look forward to your comments. Thanks!

Olivia

Commentator # 1:

You have done so much with this, congratulations! I do like your vision for  the clearinghouse and support your fine suggestion in #3 to solicit from Educatters exactly what they envision here.  Do they want links to resources or an actual portal to learning objects?  You seem headed down the latter path, which I think is wise, but I have concerns for your time.

Regarding the acronym:  This may be already decided, but "CAME" implies something past due, something that is in the past.  If the words were flipped and Metadata were first, it could be called "MACE" which isn't great (connotations of self-defense!) but works for me better than past tense. I wish I had a better suggestion, but will ponder that.

RE: categories.  My first impulse is that they are very broad, yet for the most part they do seem mutually exclusive, at least to the point that
topics that went through my head I could decide rather easily on the 'most approriate' placement.

I assume there will be many subcategories. Cataloging, in particular, seems extremely broad. Would 'cataloging' include catalogs?  That is huge in
itself.   Then there is description/access, history, principles, as you know.

Thanks for sharing DLESE, that is really something.  It has all that we might want, and then some.

Pat Lawton

Commentator # 2:

Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:06:42 -0400
From: Diane Hillmann <dih1@CORNELL.EDU>
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Subject: Re: Web Clearinghouse for Metadata Materials

Folks:

This looks like a good start, but I have some concerns.  It seems to me that in addition to an actual Clearinghouse of Materials, we should be providing a model of a clearinghouse as well. For instance, if we're
developing a vocabulary, we should follow good practices for establishing and declaring a vocabulary (definitions, relationships between terms, an
XML schema, perhaps).  If we're describing resources, we should be doing so according to an established metadata schema.

I realize that this is just a start and clearly Anita has worked very hard at getting these materials up for us to look at. But at this point it's important for us to come to grips with what it is we're doing and what message we're conveying in the doing of it.

Regards,
Diane

Commentator # 3:

Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:26:51 -0400
From: Bruce C Johnson <bjoh@loc.gov>
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Subject: Web Clearinghouse for Metadata Materials

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Subject: RE: Web Clearinghouse for Metadata Materials

Olivia (and other Educatters),

Thank you for asking for the input.  Indeed, this is a promising activity!  I believe that this is an excellent beginning point for a web clearinghouse for metadata materials that Anita has developed
Congratulations, Anita!  In addition, I look forward to Marcia's work on Metadata Basics Package in near future.

Here is my initial "wish-list" to your excellent work on a web clearinghouse for metadata materials.  I would like to see more attention given to the new developments, new experiments, examples, newly emerging issues, etc.  Can we provide a "What's New" section, for instance?  I would like to see the expansion of and the refinement to the "alternative metadata schema."  If the "alternative metadata schema" is retained as one section, I would like to see it, at least, with a prominent emphasis given equally to the traditional methods (AACR/MARC, subject headings, library classification schema).  The only place I see these "alternative metadata schema" are stated, for example, is under the item 10 in the Background Notes, i.e., in the third URL you have provided.  Thank you, again.

Gertrude S. Koh
Professor
Graduate School of Library and Information Science
Dominican University
7900 West Division Street
River Forest, IL  60305-1066

Commentator #4:

Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 15:02:08 -0600
From: Sylvia D. Hall-Ellis <shellis@DU.EDU>
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Subject: Re: Web Clearinghouse for Metadata Materials

Dear Educat Colleagues,

The work that Anita has prepared to share with us is a great beginning. She is making a significant contribution to this important project and is to be commended for the effort.

Just a couple of questions... For those of us who do not customarily create and use our own websites, should wconsider doing so?
In the background notes in the "cataloging and metadata topics" section in these topics...
   5. Can we break these two topics into subsections? And then have an opening section on how these tools are used together?
   6. Can brief descriptions and/or links to specific ILS products be included? Since bibliographic data do not behave in exactly the same way in each ILS, some explanatory information may prove to be very useful.
   7. Is this term broadly defined? Are other older print verification and tools in American bibliography going to be included?
   14. Is it possible to add a brief section for retrospective conversion?

May we add to the "type/form" section? If so, how does this process work?

Just a few thoughts on Sunday afternoon.

Cordially,
Sylvia

Sylvia Hall-Ellis, Ph.D.
Library and Information Science
University of Denver
21E. Wesley Ave., #107
Denver, CO 80208
303-871-7881 - voice
303-756-0424 - fax

Commentator # 5:

Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:38:49 -0400
From: "Boehr, Diane (NIH/NLM)" <boehrd@MAIL.NLM.NIH.GOV>
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Subject: Re: Web Clearinghouse for Metadata Materials

I just want to echo Sylvia's comment about those of us who do not have our own websites.  Is there a way to share material which may be available on a WebCT site for example, but not on a public website?

I'm a little concerned about the splitting of Cataloging and Metadata as topics.  Metadata should be the broad category and perhaps then have underneath categories of metadata, one of which is AACR2/MARC based
(traditional cataloging) and then others like Dublin Core, ONIX, TEI, etc.

Diane Boehr
Cataloging Unit Head
National Library of Medicine
8600 Rockville Pike
Bethesda, MD 20894

Adjunct Instructor, University of Maryland
College of Information Studies

301-435-7059
301-402-1211 (fax)
boehrd@mail.nlm.nih.gov

Commentator # 6:

Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:22:23 -0700
From: Brad Eden <beden@CCMAIL.NEVADA.EDU>
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Subject: Re: Web Clearinghouse for Metadata Materials

I agree.  Metadata is the broad topic, with MARC and non-MARC related metadata as separate categories.

Brad Eden, Ph.D.
Head, Web and Digitization Services
University of Nevada, Las Vegas Libraries
beden@ccmail.nevada.edu

Commentator # 7:

Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:05:29 -0700
From: Heidi Hoerman <heidihoerman@yahoo.com>
To: EDUCAT@sun8.LOC.GOV
Subject: Re: Web Clearinghouse for Metadata Materials

I second the thanks to Anita and all those involved with this effort!

I have two points to address:  one ethical and one pragmatic

THE ETHICAL ONE:

My questions have more to do with ethical questions than with organization of the site itself.  Part of this arises from concerns about self-preservation and part from watching the recent kefluffle on JESSE about using the teaching materials of another.

We all make our livings based, to a greater or lesser extent, on our abilities to create and use good teaching materials.  Some of use also publish versions of those materials as textbooks.  Sharing teaching tools is nothing new. Lord knows, some of the assignments I use now arose from assignments Monina Abrera let me copy to use when I was a mere wet-behind-the-ears adjunct!  We all want to share but we also don't want to give away the farm.

Like many instances of information sharing, ramping up to this level of information sharing requires us to determine a set of ethical guidelines that go beyond the legalities. This might prevent the kind of ever-so-slightly-rabid discussion the recent JESSE instance represents.

I suggest we draft a short statement of what is or is not ethical use of this material.  For example, many of us must place information representing evaluation of our teaching in our review files.  Certainly use of our teaching materials by a colleague at another institution represents affirmation of our performance in this area.  What about a simple ethical statement like "It is expected that those who use materials linked to this website, either verbatim or as a model for their own materials, will notify the original author of the materials."  A simple email would do the trick.   Those who needed more for their files could ask the user of the information for something on letterhead or whatever.

Another guideline may expect that we cite our sources for teaching materials of this type just as we cite the sources of quotes we use from the published literature.

I'm not trying to be "Use Police" here.  I just think that we do need to think of ourselves while we work toward the greater good.  If we don't protect ourselves and our intellectual output we risk being replaced by inferior copies of ourselves by those who would overuse us.

THE PRAGMATIC ONE

Can the documents for which the creator has no access to a public server be stored on the same server as the clearinghouse itself?  One problem with that, of course, is that people tend to forget they send stuff to an off-site place and the stuff never gets updated.  (I have enough trouble remembering to delete and remove links to stuff that's too old for words on my own site to worry about stuff I've sent someone else.)

Gratefully to all working on this,
Heidi
(who still is planning to send examples of using chat for AACR2!)

HEIDI LEE HOERMAN
SCHOOL OF LIBRARY AND INFORMATION SCIENCE
UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH CAROLINA, COLUMBIA, SC 29205
PHONE: (803) 777-0485, (800) 277-2035 FAX: (803) 777-7938
EMAIL: heidihoerman@yahoo.com (preferred)
           hhoerman@gwm.sc.edu (second choice)
URL: http://www.libsci.sc.edu/hoerman/basepage.htm

Commentator # 8:

Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:30:35 -0700
From: Cheryl Boettcher Tarsala <c-tarsala@LINKLINE.COM>
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Subject: Re: Web Clearinghouse for Metadata Materials

Heidi and All--
    As a kerfluffler on Jesse, I heartily endorse the ethical statement.

I'd also add the suggestion that there be a mechanism to post variations/comment on the materials--So, if I would be sharing my most excellent OCLC derived search key exercise, Heidi could submit her variation of it and it would be posted next to the original. (All in a FRBR-like display of related works, of course ...) Then maybe there could be a message area that would allow posting of snippets of experience: "I've found the world's most clever derived search problem"--or "watch out--students tend to misinterpret this aspect of the assignment!"

I realize that kind of functionality might not be possible for a first version of the clearinghouse site, but I think it could open the possibility of continuous improvement/update on the posted materials. Creating good cataloging/metadata materials is so very time-consuming that the idea of a space where we could communally work toward a set of "best practice" exercises (particularly on key topics) is very attractive.

Very few cataloging assignments have reached near-universal, iconic status (I've met no cataloger who cannot recall "Eighteenth-century Swedish devotional poetry" as a DDC problem--but what was the answer to that one???), but I think that there are a few areas where a reliable, shared body of educational experiences could benefit students moving into the profession and those who provide their on-the-job training afterwards.

Cheryl

Commentator # 9:

Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:01:04 -0400
From: Judith Hopkins <ulcjh@BUFFALO.EDU>
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Subject: Re: Web Clearinghouse for Metadata Materials

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004, Boehr, Diane (NIH/NLM) wrote:

> I'm a little concerned about the splitting of Cataloging and Metadata as
> topics.  Metadata should be the broad category and perhaps then have
> underneath categories of metadata, one of which is AACR2/MARC based
> (traditional cataloging) and then others like Dublin Core, ONIX, TEI, etc.

I agree with Diane on this point.

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